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[Sticky] How does it feeeeeeel? The emotional impact of the Bob Dylan allegations

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Since the lawsuit news was broken many of us has been devastated. Is this going to be impacting many fans? How does it hurt you or make you feel/

Can you still listen to Dylan? The obviously false allegations reported by zeus should answer this. But how does the lawsuit make you feel?

Vent, air your grievances, do whatever. 


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As a rule of thumb, I tend to believe the supposed victim when it comes to stories like this. Of course, when the supposed victim's story gets convenient correction after convenient correction to their initial statement, you can easily dismiss such allegations.

The first thing I did was to double check that Dylan's schedule for April and May 1965. Once I'd done that, I realized that the timeline just doesn't work. Plenty of proof has Dylan on the west coast, in England and Portugal. Are we honestly supposed to believe that with every tiny gap in his schedule, Dylan went back to New York to groom this 12-year-old? Balderdash. Therefore, it doesn't affect me at all. 

New York passed the Child Victims Act in 2019. The initial window to file lawsuits, set to close August 14, 2020, was extended a year. How convenient it was for this liar and her crook lawyers to file their lawsuit August 13, 2021. 


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During the first few days of the allegations I was pretty depressed. His music has been so important to me especially in recent hard times, that it really hurt me on a deep level. I had also just picked up some pretty rare (and rather expensive) bootlegs from a local record shop and I couldn't bring myself to play them, so there was a bit of brutal buyer's remorse there.

At this point though, assuming that Zeus is 100% on their reporting, I think I would be fine if they even just settled this. I would of course rather see the case dropped but I think watching this thing drag on for potentially years is going to cast a dark cloud over any upcoming festivities, such as that upcoming tour.

That's just my personal relationship to the music though, I feel like if Bob is innocent then he really deserves to be "exonerated" for all to see. His impact on culture is just to massive for anything else.


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I don’t immediately believe the ‘victim’ -especially when it’s a tale from 56 years ago.

New York is messed up, having laws that permit filing a case like this - over a half a century later.  

 

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@liza Under the 2019 Child Victims Act, New York residents can file civil lawsuits against their childhood abusers any time before age 55. They can also seek criminal prosecution up to age 28. There was a year-long window in the Child Victims Act allowing victims of any age to bring lawsuits. That year-long window was extended an additional year due to COVID. The absolute latest that anybody could bring a case like this was August 14, 2021.

This particular case was filed on August 13, 2021. As frivolous as it was quickly discovered to be, it's enough to make people who truly did suffer keep quiet. There are real victims out there that laws like this are put in place to help but the woman suing Bob Dylan isn't one of them. She's just making things harder for actual victims.


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On hearing these ridiculous allegations, I felt it like a shot to my chest. To say I was overwhelmed doesn’t cut it.  Bob Dylan’s music and legacy to me and all humanity needs to be protected and upheld. So we all need to speak out. Fact and truth speaks volumes and Zeus have given us hard facts, truth and a balanced view. 

I feel hurt, knowing that Bob Dylan’s name is being condemned and pulled through the mud. His words and actions throughout his music career created a vessel of shared worldly thoughts, visions and words.

He uses his craft of weaving words and worlds to bring his listeners to places seen and not seen. So stand up and voice your feelings. We all want Dylan to keep writing, let’s not lose hearing his next album or listening at the next tour. 


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@friendly-ranger I understand that. 
I believe it’s wrong to allow these cases to be filed 50+ years later! It’s insane 


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Every power can be used to do good or bad.
This time it was for bad.


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Bob didn't do this. He will be exonerated. I feel bad for him. It's too bad that anyone can invent a story like this to try and discredit someone for financial gain.

I wonder sometimes if the press has too much power. Accusations like this make headlines, and people might  believe it just because they're reading about it all online and seeing familiar faces on TV reporting on "the news." Well what if it's not "news," and it's just bullshit? Separating fact from fiction becomes less important than the sensationalism of the headlines themselves.

The horrible thing is that some people might always think it could be true just because it was reported on. We're living in a society where casting aspersions on others is supposed to be a 'normal' thing to do. And then there are so many real victims of abuse who never get justice.

This is just a bad situation. I appreciate the ZNN people for creating this site, to provide some background information on the players in this horrible game they're playing with a man's life and reputation. So I appreciate this forum and the info being shared. And Zeus is cool. 


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I see a couple of things in my post that might lead people to be thinking: this dude is now an idiot on the internet. Can somebody ask Apocolypse Kurtz if you can be "exonerated" by the results of a civil suit? It was late at the time, and I remember seeing an edit button there earlier btw. That's how I was feeling emotionally, in the moment, writing about Bob and all of this horribleness that's being hurled at him. I know Bob is innocent of what JC is accusing him of doing to her. 

In reference to "casting aspersions," it's a shared hobby by the media and the public at large these days. People need somebody new to complain about every single day of the week. Judging someone, anyone, by saying that they had lived a bad life, or that they're currently living a bad life, is the new activism in our society.

So here's today's big name, somebody said he did something, and the BBC is already publishing an article titled: "Prince Andrew, Bob Dylan, Catholic priests, and the Child Victims Act." Really? The BBC. 

Do people understand that there are false allegations anymore? Or is it just someone new to persecute today? What JC is doing is inflicting psychic pain on the world. Maybe she had some talent for reading cards. You have to really watch it when those ones go bad.

Now the IRS is after her. She filed this civil suit at the last possible minute allowed by the law, after something that allegedly took place 57 years ago. I believe it's important to have laws in place that allow adults who were sexually abused as children to seek justice. But the way she filed the case is not consistent with how someone would conduct themselves if they were experiencing repressed memories. It looks like everything she's doing is calculated. The whole thing about the pictures, that obviously aren't her? She's grasping for cash. She's willing to try and destroy a man to get some. She's desperate. 

My prediction: they'll throw this whole thing out so fast, that it'll make people's heads spin. Or whatever they do in civil filings. Kurtz, can you explain? I used to know a few lawyers. They're good spellers. I just feel bad for Bob. It's a horrible shock to everybody's psyches, the way JC is doing all of this, to the extent of manipulating the media and public opinion -- it's all very calculating and timed to get reactions out of people. She's dictating the way the BBC titles their articles. That's some power she has right now. She's doing damage. 


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Sometimes aliens make serious mistakes, they return those they have abducted. This story is an act of vandalism, it’s as if Pietà of Michelangelo or David of Donatello had been hammered. What would public opinion think and what would press write about news like this? Just barbarians!!! Bob is a monument and his reputation is stronger than this stuff. That’s what the vast majority of people think and it couldn’t be otherwise. Don’t worry about haters by trade, they are few, cowardly and weak.


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My spirit guides are saying that Bob never met her. My spirit guides are never wrong. 


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@socrates 


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Anyone who gets Dylan's lyrics knows fundamentally that he is incapable of this mindless pathetic act - his sensibility is wired in a completely different way.  The woman is a nutcase (mystic?!) and the lawyer is a loser looking for an easy buck.  But regardless of those facts and the facts of Dylan's timeline (arguing the toss in the UK about going electric, disentangling from Baez, falling for Sara L) his whole musical and poetic focus is on an ongoing reflective dialectic of meaning making of our crazy world. Nonetheless, Dylan's lawyers should sue her as there are too many mindless people falling for this accusation so obviously stolen from complaints made by other victims of abuse.  This woman and her lawyer should not be allowed to get away with his.


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I was in shock when I heard the news. First I couldn't even believe it, thought it was a kind of bad joke.

After a day, when I realised it was for real, I felt incredibly sad for Bobby. In my mind I saw his facial expression at the moment when he heard of it.
Imagine this happens to you, you made it to become 80 years old and then get accused of something unspeakable like that ... 

Because I think every person with accusations like that should be listened to, I thought about this for quite a while. Looked at all the information I could find and also reflected on my idea of what kind of person Bobby is.
Investigated from all points of views if this could make any sense on any level. Tried to be objective as good as I could. Analysed if this is logical, if I can find a single grain of doubt, somewhere far out of my usual way of thinking and anaylising. 
I couldn't find anything.

It is maybe easy to say we know somebody we have never met, at the same time we can be horribly wrong with that. And we've all been there at a point in our lives, haven't we?
For my part these accusations don't make any sense whatsoever. 

I not only say this from my point of view on Bobby as a person. Also how this woman seemed to have acted in the past is - at least - questionable. 

I noticed that there are some people, especially younger ones, who seriously didn't know anymore what to think. They hit the harsh reality of social media and one-sided news coverage.

My recommendation is to always use your own brain. Think critical and reflect about everything. 
And then come to your own conclusions.

So, for me it is impossible that Bobby could have done something like that. The woman took the wrong kind of "rock star" for her accusations to be believable. 

I wish the man could just enjoy his life in dignity. And hope this law suit won't take too long. I don't want this to suck out some of his life energy he could use for much better things.

So, fingers crossed and thumbs pressed this will be over soon. 🍀💓

Thanks for reading.    


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